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  • in reply to: Odysseus the liar #5108

    Sean Mcpartlin
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    It can be argued that yes this knack for lying perhaps caused Odysseus drawn out ‘nostos’. Odysseus’ lying proved fruitful in Book 9 when dealing with Polyphemus but his lying eventually is the downfall of his men. In not telling his men of the consequences which would follow the eating of the sun gods cattle he sealed his mens fate and therefore proved his own flaws.

    in reply to: Making the leap between knowledge and guilt #4518

    Sean Mcpartlin
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    I do not belief one should feel obligated to feel guilt at the realisation that one haas committed a crime unknowingly. Action should be taken to aid the victims of said crime (perhaps not as rash as the blinding of ones self) but the feeling of guilt are unjustified in this case. That being said as we’re all human feelings of guilt for the most part are unjustified but that doesn’t prevent us from feeling guilt?
    @DanielHall
    You make interesting points, although i disagree. If one committed a “crime” unknowingly the act of punishment is made redundant and serves a symbolic purpose of crime & punishment rather than a pragmatic & effective purpose of helping the victims. The punishment of those who unknowingly commit crime serves only those who have an impersonal, inhumane and unjust perception of justice. I do agree though in some cases it is inevitable to be reprimanded for example in the stealing of sunglasses, the victim in this instance is oblivious to your ignorance of the “crime” and your explanation would be faced with contempt and lead to eventual action but the act of punishing those who have unwillingly or unknowingly committed an act of evil or have broken the law is in itself unjust.
    Kind regards,
    Sean

    in reply to: What does it mean to be a hero? #4517

    Sean Mcpartlin
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    It all boils down to what is your own difinition of a hero? To some it is the valiant Achilles hunting for his perpetual “kleos” but to some it is brute dedication and authenticity.
    For me Achilles is a hero in his own right, but Oedipus is a true hero. All though his actions did not bring me to this conclusion, It was his mind. He saves the city of Thebes, abandons Corinth out of fear of killing his father and marrying his mother and once again saves Thebes from himself. He unknowingly murdered Laius and married Jocasta oblivious to their maternal relationship it is for that justification of his actions that his a hero.

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